(From the July 17, 2009, edition of Fox News' "Glenn Beck")
CHARLES PAYNE (Fox Business contributor): I sincerely believe that the president has a real fixation against rich people being rich. And I think that the only way you can change the culture.
BECK: Hang on just a second. Hang on just a second.
PAYNE: Yes.
BECK: I speak your same language. Let me translate. The president is a Marxist next.
PAYNE: OK. I think it's more of a Voltaire socialist France thing than Marxism. I think he does...
BECK: Whatever.
PAYNE: Right. The bottom line, though, is there is this serious effort, I think, to not only go after the rich but to dissuade people from becoming rich. And the average person out there, Glenn, the only way the average person watching this show really can become rich is to become a successful entrepreneur, small businessperson.
BECK: Let me go this -- let me go here. I think that we are setting up a class system. If you are Ted Kennedy, you're rich, you're powerful already. This is -- this is what de Tocqueville talked about in "Democracy in America."
PAYNE: Right. [Fox News, "Glenn Beck," 7/17/09, transcript via Nexis]
